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wrestlingontap
Denny Crane Of Forums
USA
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 Posted - 09/24/2008 : 06:19:19 AM
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I'm sick and tired of every lazy, self indulgent, self entitled douche bag in the world, more specifically American people... oh and politicians.
Right now there is debate over a bailout of financial institution. Why is there a debate? The American people don't get a fucking vote.
Because I have lived responsibily and within my means, I now have to pay for Democrats mistakes.
Think I'm lying? Bill Clinton created Freddie Mac and Fannie Mae to give unsecured loans to people that had no business getting loans. What happened? These people all defaulted on their loans and put the squeeze on these institutions.
Wow didn't see that coming!
The government is now talking about the federal deficeit. What deficeit? All this so called money is all on paper it doesn't actually exsist in the real world. Print more money. The american dollar isn't based on anything. There is no gold or solver standard which give the dollar is base value.
Fucking scare tactics to keep the American people reliant on the government.
Let these people wallow in there own shit. I know how much I can afford... fuck those who don't.
I'm not attacking people that have lost their jobs. I'm talking about the assholes that had no business buying houses and running up credit cards. You know the type of person I'm talking about. The guy that buys a house and you think to self, "how the hell can that douche buy a house!"
The best way to fix this problem is actually something I hate. Leave it alone. The more panic, the more people start pulling their money out of the bank and the market. Which in turn causes others to lose money, they then panic and pull everything.... so on and so on. Vicious circle. Just leave it alone and things will level out.
Does the government want to step in and help out. Abolish the federal income tax. I make a modest salary, and the fed taxes rape me of around $1000.00 a month. Let me tell you if I had that extra money I would run to redeposit that money into the economy.
I know that Europeans pay more in taxes but you all have a whole different infristructure to work with over there.
Sorry about this post I'm just pissed.
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Linfieldman
Pushy Drunk Irish Friend Of The Forums
United Kingdom
342 Posts |
Posted - 09/24/2008 : 6:30:45 PM
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I'd be pissed if I lived in the US too, no offense but your country is in shit-state.
How did a nation once so great end up like this? Not that my wee part of the planet is any better, 30 odd years of civil war and now we're lead by idiots. We're just on a smaller scale and were never great... |
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wrestlingontap
Denny Crane Of Forums
USA
671 Posts |
Posted - 09/24/2008 : 8:05:32 PM
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I take a little offense but that is nationalistic pride. I love my country and think that it is great. However political correctness has deteriorated the resolve.
What happened is people in power bowed down to not hurt peoples feelings. Just another way that the baby boomer generation has sabotaged their heirs future. I assume it would be the same way where you are at.
The need to save those that can't help themselves. I don't expect those of you out of the country to understand as to you, we are merely "that place that is doing to much or not enough."
Don't misunderstand I don't have any ill will towards anyone. However, sometimes there needs to be losers so that there can be winners. Plus the U.S. in interest in fairness allows to much activity from foreign nations, whether it be investing, purchasing property or simply allowing non citizens both illegal and visitors to leach off programs and tax exemptions.
The global economy is truly the problem. The United States is being hit hard right now because most of the major investing did occur in our currency and along our markets. The rest of the world will be following in the difficulties, perhaps not to the same extent, but it will be felt.
I love that we live in a world where travel and visit foreign nations. But the bottom line is a nations economy should and can not be influenced by those whom do not live with the consequences of the economy.
Does that make any sense? |
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Linfieldman
Pushy Drunk Irish Friend Of The Forums
United Kingdom
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Posted - 09/24/2008 : 8:20:00 PM
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Makes sense to me.
I really didn't mean offence with my comment btw.
I remember when I was in school, we were taught about the US's policy of isolationism before WWII, that seemed to work, and how much of a differnece would that make now?
Take comfort in the fact that, as a people, US citizens have that undeniable "never say die" spirit that'll carry you's through whatever crisis has manifested itself.
And just so you know, like always, Europe is behind you lot, but we'll be getting our arses kicked and pockets picked real soon. Northern Ireland just got hit with a 30% electricity bill raise, nice... |
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wrestlingontap
Denny Crane Of Forums
USA
671 Posts |
Posted - 09/25/2008 : 04:49:20 AM
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Its cool wasn't angry about it, just sincere. You know there are no worries in this forum. Its all fun heathly discussion.
I long for the days of isolationism to a point.
The global economy, it appears just won't let that be. Much like how there is the EU, the U.S. Just gets pulled in.
The damn thing about it is that so much money is spent in foreign aid, I assume this goes for you as well, that politicians forget to take care of their own home, at least until elections come around.
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Nero
Voice Of Reason In Forums
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Posted - 09/25/2008 : 05:02:44 AM
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I'm down for socio-economic isolationalism.
Meaning every country in the world takes care of their own economically.
I'm sorry if people are destitute in Bosnia or anywhere else, but I don't give a shit.
People need to realize that you can't fix a place that is still ran by warlords.
A 30% increase? That is fucking ridiculous. And think how much of you tax dollars are being wasted on things that aren't designed to help your neighborhood, your city, and even you country.
Isolationism from an economic stand point. Everyone would should do it. |
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wotmatt
Alan Shore Of Forums
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Posted - 09/25/2008 : 06:19:27 AM
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Vote Chuck Baldwin in 2008 (Constitutional Party), he has been endorsed by Ron Paul.
Here is what Paul said about the "bail out," sums what what a lot of people think, including me.
Wednesday, September 24, 2008
Dear Friends,
Whenever a Great Bipartisan Consensus is announced, and a compliant media assures everyone that the wondrous actions of our wise leaders are being taken for our own good, you can know with absolute certainty that disaster is about to strike.
The events of the past week are no exception.
The bailout package that is about to be rammed down Congress' throat is not just economically foolish. It is downright sinister. It makes a mockery of our Constitution, which our leaders should never again bother pretending is still in effect. It promises the American people a never-ending nightmare of ever-greater debt liabilities they will have to shoulder. Two weeks ago, financial analyst Jim Rogers said the bailout of Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac made America more communist than China! "This is welfare for the rich," he said. "This is socialism for the rich. It's bailing out the financiers, the banks, the Wall Streeters."
That describes the current bailout package to a T. And we're being told it's unavoidable.
The claim that the market caused all this is so staggeringly foolish that only politicians and the media could pretend to believe it. But that has become the conventional wisdom, with the desired result that those responsible for the credit bubble and its predictable consequences - predictable, that is, to those who understand sound, Austrian economics - are being let off the hook. The Federal Reserve System is actually positioning itself as the savior, rather than the culprit, in this mess!
• The Treasury Secretary is authorized to purchase up to $700 billion in mortgage-related assets at any one time. That means $700 billion is only the very beginning of what will hit us.
• Financial institutions are "designated as financial agents of the Government." This is the New Deal to end all New Deals.
• Then there's this: "Decisions by the Secretary pursuant to the authority of this Act are non-reviewable and committed to agency discretion, and may not be reviewed by any court of law or any administrative agency." Translation: the Secretary can buy up whatever junk debt he wants to, burden the American people with it, and be subject to no one in the process.
There goes your country.
Even some so-called free-market economists are calling all this "sadly necessary." Sad, yes. Necessary? Don't make me laugh.
Our one-party system is complicit in yet another crime against the American people. The two major party candidates for president themselves initially indicated their strong support for bailouts of this kind - another example of the big choice we're supposedly presented with this November: yes or yes. Now, with a backlash brewing, they're not quite sure what their views are. A sad display, really.
Although the present bailout package is almost certainly not the end of the political atrocities we'll witness in connection with the crisis, time is short. Congress may vote as soon as tomorrow. With a Rasmussen poll finding support for the bailout at an anemic seven percent, some members of Congress are afraid to vote for it. Call them! Let them hear from you! Tell them you will never vote for anyone who supports this atrocity.
The issue boils down to this: do we care about freedom? Do we care about responsibility and accountability? Do we care that our government and media have been bought and paid for? Do we care that average Americans are about to be looted in order to subsidize the fattest of cats on Wall Street and in government? Do we care?
When the chips are down, will we stand up and fight, even if it means standing up against every stripe of fashionable opinion in politics and the media?
Times like these have a way of telling us what kind of a people we are, and what kind of country we shall be.
In liberty,
Ron Paul
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wrestlingontap
Denny Crane Of Forums
USA
671 Posts |
Posted - 09/25/2008 : 08:26:06 AM
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Oh Matthew....
Voting for Baldwin is a bad idea, or wasted vote if you will. And it is evident by how the media portray's that there are only 2 candidates.
Unfortunately most Americans do not know any better.
The Constitutional Party was formerly the U.S. Taxpayers Party. Just so people know.
Obama takes about change, but the only way to impliment change is to start at the local and state levels.
Even if by some act of God, Baldwin were to win the Presidency his policies and beliefs would be so watered down and stonewalled by a majority of a Republican/Democrat Congress and Senate, that it wouldn't matter.
The forst step for true change is by electing third party candidates @ the local and state levels. Once these third party Mayors, Governors, Reps, and Congressmen are in a position, there will be know chose but to expand the media's coverage on Presidential elections to include others besides the Republicans and Democrats.
Then a third party president elect will have an opportunity to follow through and bring his/her visions to life.
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wotmatt
Alan Shore Of Forums
360 Posts |
Posted - 09/25/2008 : 09:49:50 AM
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| There is no such thing as a wasted vote, "Always vote for principle, though you may vote alone, and you may cherish the sweetest reflection that your vote is never lost." -- John Quincy Adams |
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Rated R Superstar
Shit Disturber Of Forums
344 Posts |
Posted - 09/25/2008 : 10:20:30 AM
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Cute. Do you have any ideas that are your own
Different times sir. There is such a thing as a wasted vote. We live in a society where currently there are only 2 realistic choices for president.
Vote on Principle when it won't effect the country. Making a statment by voting for a candidate that a majority of the voting public has never even heard, is only showing that you don't fully grasp the political climate we live in.
The local and state levels is the way to invoke change, voting every 4 years for a guy that most don't even know about till they look at the ballot doesn't.
Hell, thanks to Rick, I now know what happened to the Taxpayers party. And I actually pay attention to politics |
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wrestlingontap
Denny Crane Of Forums
USA
671 Posts |
Posted - 09/25/2008 : 10:27:14 AM
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wotmatt
Alan Shore Of Forums
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Posted - 09/25/2008 : 11:05:09 AM
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Am I Canadian, no. Is my vote wasted? Absolutely not. You may think it is because I may not vote who you want in office but a vote is never wasted unless you don't vote at all. One person, one vote, that is how it works. I never said who I was voting for, I could vote for McCain, I could vote for Obama, hell I could write in Ron Paul or vote for the US taxpayers party. Either way it doesn't matter because I will still cast my vote and it will not go to waste. You and I may differ on that subject but that is neither here nor there. I quoted John Q. Adams to prove that even back then, dumbasses thought what you do, that voters were wasting their votes.
As for my thoughts:
1.) I don't the government interfering in my life. They do a great job fucking up everything else so leave me the hell alone.
2.) Taxes are bull shit, but I do think a flat tax (in order to keep the country running) of about 1% should suffice. If you want to tax something, legalize drugs and tax the hell out of them. We shouldn't be putting non-violent drug offenders in jail, we should tax the hell out of them.
3.) I want limited government control over the states. You could cut our government by about 75% and the country would still run smoothly. Give the power to the states and let them decide how to run their lives.
4.) Roe vs. Wade was a bunch of crap and so is abortion, both should be done away with.
...I have already written too much, I am pissed and I am done.
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Linfieldman
Pushy Drunk Irish Friend Of The Forums
United Kingdom
342 Posts |
Posted - 09/25/2008 : 12:43:29 PM
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Not to downplay the seriousness of the situation, but time for a breakdown...
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Rated R Superstar
Shit Disturber Of Forums
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Posted - 09/25/2008 : 1:05:16 PM
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Originally posted by wrestlingontap
Aren't you canadian?
Duel citizenship bitch! Woooo!
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Vote Cuck Baldwin 2008
I'm pretty sure we as a collective group are allowed to comment as if you were voting for him.
You say one vote one person and say electorial college.
Thank you for the levity Linfield |
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wrestlingontap
Denny Crane Of Forums
USA
671 Posts |
Posted - 09/25/2008 : 6:17:45 PM
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Originally posted by Linfieldman
Not to downplay the seriousness of the situation, but time for a breakdown...
How did you squeeze yourself into that suit Gavin? I think I just found out why you drink into the wee hour listening to our show instead of railing your wife. |
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Linfieldman
Pushy Drunk Irish Friend Of The Forums
United Kingdom
342 Posts |
Posted - 09/25/2008 : 7:18:58 PM
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| That clearly isn't me, my bulge is bigger (and real), and that fat fuck doesn't have a beard. |
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